No Russian influence. Damn Clinton. Praise Bernie. Do you have anything of substance to say about the election, John? I think this is only the second time I’ve bothered to comment on your commentary. I guess it takes a lot.
Of the protestors, politically aware, liberal activists, I would think something like 99% of them voted for Hillary (even those that didn’t want to). This is her base that she’s criticising here.
Shayne Lenin, I’m always saddened, and often irritated by people that hold most, if not all, of my values, yet speak as if reason is beyond their grasp.
The problem was at the top and despite the hard work of many of the grassroots activists.. The campaign did little to generate enthusiasm and did its best to kill the little enthusiasm that was there. Instead they focused on turnout and negative campaigning. They tried to guilt everyone into voting because of how terrible Trump was rather than persuading them with a vision of how good she would be. This is why those Bernie rallies with electrified crowds of tens of thousands of young people really pissed the campaign off. It showed how much of a bad job they were doing. In the end they didn’t even succeed in getting the turnout.
Well I take that as a starting point and see it as symptomatic of what’s wrong with the Democratic party leadership. I really think they haven’t learned a thing from this loss. Hillary’s grudge book tour is more proof of that.
I doubt very seriously that they’d put Clinton up again. That would be a big mistake. I’m not at all sure who they will or should put up, but hopefully it won’t be a devout non-democrat.
I think it will be Kamala Harris for reasons I’ve given elsewhere. Unlike Hillary she’s demonstrated some policy flexibility which includes embracing Sanders’ Medicare for All policy. Like Obama she will fill people with a false hope and pursue donor friendly policies in other areas.
You don’t have to do all that much to make the Left shut up actually. Just don’t treat them with contempt the way the Clintons do. Their time (the 1990s) is well and truly over and smarter , younger Democrats know it.
I think the Dems need to get some young people running – for office, and running the national organization. The fact that both major-party candidates were 70-year-olds is, to my mind, a serious problem. Not only does that smack of a lack of interest in engagement, particularly of young people, on the part of the Dems, it telegraphs rigidity and adherence to the status quo. We know there are big problems that will require bold and inventive action, and while not all old people are rigid in their thinking (and not all young people are flexible in theirs), the symbolism is important.
And while some of my favorite people are septegenerians, or soon to be, it’s really time for some younger people to step up. You know, like people in their fifties. That’d be a nice start.
I think it should be mandatory that they are at least young enough to experience several decades of climate change. These old bastards will have long departed the stage by the time the really weird stuff happens. Irma to Katia are just the prelude.
You’d think the older people would have seen enough changes by now to realize what we’re dealing with, but it’s so easy to forget things in the past, or look at the present as “things have always been this way”.
No Russian influence. Damn Clinton. Praise Bernie. Do you have anything of substance to say about the election, John? I think this is only the second time I’ve bothered to comment on your commentary. I guess it takes a lot.
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I rarely talk about Sanders. I don’t believe the Russia story. Clinton is a tragic figure of fun.
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Guy sharing food pictures is upset that others aren’t entertaining enough… 😬
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I see you see little, Teodor Poparescu.
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Anyway I just see this is another example of Hillary’s inability to understand how democracy works.
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Maybe they didn’t demonstrate, maybe they weren’t as outraged, because they thought Hillary Clinton was going to win.
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The campaign pretty much told people to go home. That literally happened to activists in Wisconsin.
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I think a lot of us were just complacent, or didn’t think Trump could really be elected.
That was a delusion probably restricted, or largely restricted, to comfortable middle-class white people, but there are quite a few of us.
There is also the large percentage of people who are so complacent, or so cynical, that they don’t bother to vote in the first place.
I would imagine a fair number of the protesters were drawn from both of those groups.
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Of the protestors, politically aware, liberal activists, I would think something like 99% of them voted for Hillary (even those that didn’t want to). This is her base that she’s criticising here.
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He might be right. Public opinion is always voulnerable to manipulations, especially around such events.
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Shayne Lenin, I’m always saddened, and often irritated by people that hold most, if not all, of my values, yet speak as if reason is beyond their grasp.
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John Hardy Turnbull delenda est That’s a good point.
Maybe she’s asking herself where the passion was in her campaign?
I do know one friend who was a very involved campaign worker who worked her tail off, but that’s still just one person’s experience.
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The problem was at the top and despite the hard work of many of the grassroots activists.. The campaign did little to generate enthusiasm and did its best to kill the little enthusiasm that was there. Instead they focused on turnout and negative campaigning. They tried to guilt everyone into voting because of how terrible Trump was rather than persuading them with a vision of how good she would be. This is why those Bernie rallies with electrified crowds of tens of thousands of young people really pissed the campaign off. It showed how much of a bad job they were doing. In the end they didn’t even succeed in getting the turnout.
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Now, that’s got merit, John Hardy Turnbull delenda est.
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Well I take that as a starting point and see it as symptomatic of what’s wrong with the Democratic party leadership. I really think they haven’t learned a thing from this loss. Hillary’s grudge book tour is more proof of that.
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I doubt very seriously that they’d put Clinton up again. That would be a big mistake. I’m not at all sure who they will or should put up, but hopefully it won’t be a devout non-democrat.
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I think it will be Kamala Harris for reasons I’ve given elsewhere. Unlike Hillary she’s demonstrated some policy flexibility which includes embracing Sanders’ Medicare for All policy. Like Obama she will fill people with a false hope and pursue donor friendly policies in other areas.
You don’t have to do all that much to make the Left shut up actually. Just don’t treat them with contempt the way the Clintons do. Their time (the 1990s) is well and truly over and smarter , younger Democrats know it.
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I think the Dems need to get some young people running – for office, and running the national organization. The fact that both major-party candidates were 70-year-olds is, to my mind, a serious problem. Not only does that smack of a lack of interest in engagement, particularly of young people, on the part of the Dems, it telegraphs rigidity and adherence to the status quo. We know there are big problems that will require bold and inventive action, and while not all old people are rigid in their thinking (and not all young people are flexible in theirs), the symbolism is important.
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America is run by old people. Just take a look at all the wrinkly faces in the House and Senate. It’s the United States of Septegeneria.
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Septegeneria at least.
And while some of my favorite people are septegenerians, or soon to be, it’s really time for some younger people to step up. You know, like people in their fifties. That’d be a nice start.
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I think it should be mandatory that they are at least young enough to experience several decades of climate change. These old bastards will have long departed the stage by the time the really weird stuff happens. Irma to Katia are just the prelude.
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I think that is a lot of the problem right now.
You’d think the older people would have seen enough changes by now to realize what we’re dealing with, but it’s so easy to forget things in the past, or look at the present as “things have always been this way”.
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70 years of peace and comparative prosperity has to play a role. That explains the complacency of Gen X as well.
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