If the EU was only a rejection of war as a means of solving European disputes, it would be worth keeping and staying a part of. As it’s so much more, it astonishes me that this vote is even close.
As far as I can tell from across the ocean, the Leave camp is mostly anti-immigration fearmongering with a polite gloss of dubious economic arguments for people who don’t want to sound like Trump’s supporters in the US.
That’s not to say that the EU is awesome, but given that the UK is already exempt from most of the other parts it doesn’t like (Euro, Schengen, etc), while it gets the trade benefits and its first modern human rights laws, it’s hard to see any other reason to leave.
John Hardy not a Turnbull fan I’ve re-read my comment but can’t see how it can be read as anti-EU! I’d love to see how that’s so — I’m genuinely intrigued!
Aha! Yes. See it now. You’re right. Unclear. Although I’d suggest that “more” in relation to a positive reason does imply “more positive stuff”, meaning “more reasons to stay in”.
Once it’s over, there are a couple of divides worth watching. The age divide (old for Leave, young for Remain) will take care of itself via time and biology. The divide among Scotland and Wales (who want EU membership as a balance against Westminster), London and some of the Home Counties (who benefit economically and socially from internationalism and immigration), and the rest of England (who blame internationalism and immigration for the end of the coal-and-smokestack industries) is a bigger problem, and a successful Remain vote can’t be an excuse not to continue that conversation.
The Leave supporters are wrong to blame immigration and internationalism, but they do have legitimate complaints about being left behind economically after the 150-year industrial revolution petered out. How can the UK bring them back into the Union?
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Thanks for the guide. Now I know which way to vote.
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Dunno… “Death to Traitors, Freedom for Britain” is a pretty cool idea for a tattoo…
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If the EU was only a rejection of war as a means of solving European disputes, it would be worth keeping and staying a part of. As it’s so much more, it astonishes me that this vote is even close.
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As far as I can tell from across the ocean, the Leave camp is mostly anti-immigration fearmongering with a polite gloss of dubious economic arguments for people who don’t want to sound like Trump’s supporters in the US.
That’s not to say that the EU is awesome, but given that the UK is already exempt from most of the other parts it doesn’t like (Euro, Schengen, etc), while it gets the trade benefits and its first modern human rights laws, it’s hard to see any other reason to leave.
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I’m thinking Shannon Roy is in favour of the EU but his comment can be read either way.
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I hope so — at least, I read it as pro-EU.
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John Hardy not a Turnbull fan I’ve re-read my comment but can’t see how it can be read as anti-EU! I’d love to see how that’s so — I’m genuinely intrigued!
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If (EU == stops_war)
save();
else if (EU > stops_war)
save(); // or not?
// specification unclear.
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Aha! Yes. See it now. You’re right. Unclear. Although I’d suggest that “more” in relation to a positive reason does imply “more positive stuff”, meaning “more reasons to stay in”.
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I’m cautiously optimistic that Remain will win.
Once it’s over, there are a couple of divides worth watching. The age divide (old for Leave, young for Remain) will take care of itself via time and biology. The divide among Scotland and Wales (who want EU membership as a balance against Westminster), London and some of the Home Counties (who benefit economically and socially from internationalism and immigration), and the rest of England (who blame internationalism and immigration for the end of the coal-and-smokestack industries) is a bigger problem, and a successful Remain vote can’t be an excuse not to continue that conversation.
The Leave supporters are wrong to blame immigration and internationalism, but they do have legitimate complaints about being left behind economically after the 150-year industrial revolution petered out. How can the UK bring them back into the Union?
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